User talk:Lisa Graves

This is my talk page. If you'd like to reach me or have a question, you can leave a message here and SourceWatch will let me know there is a message waiting. Thank you! Lisa Graves

J&J
Hi Lisa! Sorry about the roll back on J&J. I was just reinstating some removed material and reformatting. Not all of the new additions had refs but nothing new was removed of course. (Very minor, just drugs which I am sure are on the company's website). I was going to reinstate some sections of Bayer as well as several key sections (history and food issues) were removed w/o explanation, although the history was removed to the talk page. I will go ahead and do that but feel free to edit of course!

Lisa L. Sunday July 10

BOA
Hi Lisa G.,

I just moved part of BOA to a subsection. I did paraphrase some copied & pasted text (just to help to flow of language, imo). Otherwise, all of the original sections and subsections should be in tact. See also Bank of America financial crisis.

The original article was 56K and the subsection alone was 33K. I also thought it was a little hard to follow, probably due to many different editors. I also standardized the formatting a bit.

I did the same thing to JP Morgan Chase, which was also very long. I am guessing you may want to take a look at that as well. The subsection is at JP Morgan Chase financial crisis. I added the link to the subsection under where the original section was in JP Morgan, like in the BOA article.

Both of the subsections have the Real Economy Project & Global Corporations badges.

Lisa L. 1/11

why remove
Hi Lisa; Why did you remove the "US-based zionist" organizations label. It is entirely accurate since she is listed in the Hasbara speakers forum and is toured arount the US by Bnai Brith a US-based zionist organization... --Antidotto 13:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

From Anna

 * Markup for footnotes that aren't references? Lisa, when I just want to add an *explanatory* note, not an actual citation, what markup should I use?  Anna Haynes 14:42, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Anna--I would use

Anna Haynes 16:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC))
 * Markup, within a reference, for an explanation of what info the reference contains? (Lisa, I added a MoJo article as a "general reference" entry in James O'Keefe's "External resources" section. I wanted to include a note saying what info it contained.  What syntax should I use for providing this note?  I can't figure out how to do it right, when using the "cite web" template, but would another template be better?

Anna--I would use a parenthetical after the reference, like


 * Naming convention for a page for "Weeks and Company"? (and/&, Company/co/co., capitallize/not ...?) Anna Haynes 16:49, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Anna--I would not use the ampersand in the main page (but you could in a redirect) and I would use their most popular name as the main page (Co. or Company or Inc.) and then create redirects for the other versions.

gw skeptics page
Lisa, just FYI, I've done a page shuffle with Global warming skeptics - now the bulk of its content, and history, has moved to Global warming skeptics (details). Hope I didn't screw anything up... Anna Haynes 19:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Please change back
Anna--I appreciate that but I need you to change it back. The split is going to make it harder for people to easily see the list of skeptics and make the page difficult to find via a google search. I think it is very important that list of skeptics and why we call them that be on the main page. The "details" page will not be easily found via good unless someone does a search query of "global warming skeptics details." Some stuff could be forked but not the core list and why they are there. Can you please fix this? Thank you! Lisa

Compromise?
Lisa, how about if I move just the list of skeptics from "global warming skeptics (detail)" over to the "global warming skeptics" page? Would that meet our needs/constraints? Anna Haynes 01:25, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Let's try that. Thank you! Lisa

Downloading
Hi Lisa; How do I download the photo of the person I am writing an article about?? In advance, thanks

--Antidotto 18:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Dear Antidotto: You can take a screenshot of any image (using, I believe, command+shift+4 or the equivalent). The images uploaded to SW are supposed to be creative commons/GNU-FDL, so please do not use a photo that is copyright protected. Photos can be uploaded using the "upload file" tool in the toolbox on the lower left. I hope this is helpful to you! Lisa

This is pretty useless. I dont have a menu item that allows me to download a photograph. I know how to create the photos etc, but there isnt a means to upload them.

--Antidotto 20:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Here you go
Sorry for the delay! I have changed your user permissions so that you can upload photos now. Lisa

disambiguation needed here
Hi Lisa;

There is a need for a disambiguation page for: John Sweeney and John Sweeney (BBC journalist)

I dont know how to do that.

Also, why can't I upload photos?

Kind rgds --Antidotto 12:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation and photos
Antidotto, Lisa,

I can create the disambiguation page. For examples see http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=President_Bush http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sweeney

I can change the John Sweeney article title to John E. Sweeney (as in Wikipedia) and change the approximately 19 articles that have links to John Sweeney the politician. Another way is to change John Sweeney to John E. Sweeney (politician) or John Sweeney (politician).

I previously used the following info for images:
 * http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Help:Detailed_formatting_tips
 * http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch:Image_use_policy
 * http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Special:Log/upload
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax

Regards--Stansand 14:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Stansand
Thank you!!! Lisa

SW: why edits not valid?
Hi Lisa, can you please tell me why you added Rob Enderle back into the two articles I had deleted him from? He is not a PR or media relations specialist (he is an industry analyst), and he does write his own materials (so doesn't use ghost writers). Thanks!

do you have anything against...
Hi

Do you have anything against the word "zionist"? In most cases where you have been expunging it from it is a 100% correct descriptor.

I hope you know the difference between neutral and neutered.

Kind rgds --Antidotto 18:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes
I do. I think it is used in a perjorative fashion, unless a person describes himself or herself in that way.

Lisa

why deleted?
Hi Lisa;

Why was the "hasbara" article deleted? It happens to be a major activity of most zionist organizations in the US, e.g., Honest Reporting, Stand With Us, David Project, etc. So why delete it?

I hope you know the difference between neutral and neutered

Kind rgds --Antidotto 18:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Reply
That page looked to be entirely unsourced opinion. But, I have restored the article and moved the content to the talk page, pending review.

Lisa

why deleted since it is properly documented?
Hi

You deleted references to this espionage case: http://www.counterpunch.org/adlspying2.html

NB: Jeffrey Blankfort and three other Jewish but anti-zionist activists were targetted by the ADL for a years-long espionage operation... which involved breaking and entering, hiring police officers... etc.

Jeff Blankfort et al took the ADL to court, won, and gained substantial payout...

Now, why would this relevant information be deleted in SW?

Kind rgds --Antidotto 18:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I removed it pending review
Antidotto--I am looking into the ADL page and noted that the material is under review. I will restore it once that review is complete. Lisa

now i got it
you are a bit of a bimbo --Antidotto 21:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

really?
I'm rubber and you're glue.... Lisa Graves

it seems
it seems that you are deleting stuff without any discussion or regard for the documented nature of the items included.

I am rather annoyed that you are targeting my input and deleting it.

--Antidotto 21:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

targeting?
Dear Antidotto:

I am not targeting your edits for deletion. I have been working on a project examining the Koch family and its connections to right-wing operations like the John Birch Society. In the process of looking into JBS and other groups like Lyndon LaRouche's allies, I have been examining the use of the term "Zionist" as a perjorative term.

I don't think it is appropriate to have such perjorative and coded language used on the site we manage.

Lisa

so i am a larouchie or are you looking at the correct definition of language?
hi

Mark Regev is a graduate of Habonim Dror, a ZIONIST youth movement, and you decide to delete the word zionist because of what??

You delete some of the concrete manifestations of ADL -- documented -- on the basis of what??

You delete hasbara... on the basis of what?

NB: maybe Larouchi, the jerk, has been saying a lot of stupid things, but I really resent you smearing me with the same brush; furthermore you are simply IGNORING the definition of zionist, or the label that many of the operations we are referring to would happily use to describe themselves.

CONGO: this was set up by the AJC, the ZOA to generate political leverage in Geneva vis a vis the UNHRC... It just so happens that AJC and ZOA are zionist organizations... so is UN Watch which is an offshoot. Renate Bloem the former CONGO CEO is a long-time zionist activists... So, what is wrong here?

You dont understand the difference between neutral and neutered.

--Antidotto 21:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Dear Antidotto-- It wasn't clear if the reference to Dror was a description or commentary. The ADL material has been moved to the talk page pending review. The Hasbara material has been moved to the talk page pending review.

I am not calling you a Larouchi at all. You asked if your edits were being targeted. They were not. I explained how I came upon this concern about the term being used in way that seems perjorative, and could certainly appear that way even if not intended to be, in many of the instances in which it was used in some articles.

I certainly am not trying to smear you with the same brush and actually have no view of your views at all. All I am saying is that I don't think this shorthand term, which means many things to many different people and is often used in a derogatory fashion, is appropriate for this site. If any entity, as with many such entities in Israel, describes itself using or a person describes himself that term I would not delete it. As the term is commonly used in the U.S., it has other connotations. Those connotations are quite clear in some of the literature and it is certainly the one of the preferred terms by the Larouchies here in the U.S.

Regarding CONGO. There were no citations.

Lisa

simple question
a simple question for a simple person:

In your book, is "pro-Israel" the same thing as "zionist"??

--Antidotto 21:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

reply
Even though your comments to me have been insulting, and needlessly so, I will reply to your query.

I don't think the terms are the same, but I think the term "pro-Israel" conveys a devotion to the Israeli government's objectives or interests in a way that is not laden with the same perjorative rhetorical baggage as "zionist."

Lisa

ok, change tune
Let me change tune, and try to bring this to a more civil level.

I have a problem with things being cut out with no justification given. There is an issue of a word: zionist, which is not pejorative at all, it merely means jewish nationalism. Most american jews are proud zionists, and label themselves with that.

Some pages excised with no reason, e.g., hasbara. It was a very clearcut definition and references to the application of this by Frank Luntz... and if you look at the document referenced you will see hasbara listed.

About CONGO... the brief description comes from having followed their activities for some time. They are a influence leverager: forming groups of NGOs to lobby for a certain position with the understanding that at some point the chips can be called in to benefit one of the members. It just so happens that several zionist organizations were the founders of this organization.

About ADL: it is part of the triad (AIPAC, AJC, ADL)... these are the principal zionist organizations in the US with defined tasks: influence congress, forming a worldwide alliance of other zionist groupings, and ADL which has been transformed into an organization that aims to shut out critical voices and has been caught spying on American citizens... One would hope that this would be relevant to SW. How much more corroborating info do you need to reestablish the espionage point? Jeffrey Blankfort wrote a few articles about it. The ADL attempts to shut out Tony Judt are documented by himself, I added the links. And you cut out an important link to Yoav Shamir's documentary about ADL...

And maybe you would care to clarify: is SW merely a website that points to other sources and doesnt allow any reasoned commentary/summary to be made? Are you requiring a footnote on every single sentence and statement?

--Antidotto 11:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

meeting with your approval?
Hi Lisa;

I redid the hasbara page. could you tell me if it is up to snuff? I will plug away at it further, but to avoid vitriol, I would appreciate your early input. I dont mind editing, but I would appreciate knowing why so that I can improve on other articles.

Kind rgds --Antidotto 15:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Dear Antidotto: Thank you for your edits and cites on the Hasbara page. I think it is a much stronger article with your changes.

I'll get back to you on your other message next week, once I finish a few deadlines.

Thank you for your continued contributions! Lisa